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> <channel><title>Comments on: Tompkins Square Park Pt. 1</title> <atom:link href="http://cityofstrangers.net/2010/09/tompkins-square-park-pt-1/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://cityofstrangers.net/2010/09/tompkins-square-park-pt-1/</link> <description>Notes from the margins</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:00:03 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: COS</title><link>http://cityofstrangers.net/2010/09/tompkins-square-park-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-26994</link> <dc:creator>COS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:00:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://cityofstrangers.net/?p=2304#comment-26994</guid> <description>Hi Joe,
thanks for your comment. We work with what we know. I didn&#039;t know the LES back in the &#039;50s - I wasn&#039;t alive -  and I&#039;m sure if you grew up there and watched its decline, with the onset of drugs and gangs and crime, it was very painful to witness indeed. I saw what I saw, and I&#039;ve never denied my vision is limited, and idiosyncratic.
Actually, I am kind of fascinated by the NYC of the &#039;50s. So tell me - what was it like? I&#039;ve lost my home (my home town is in fact a ghost town) many times.
T.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe,</p><p> thanks for your comment. We work with what we know. I didn&#8217;t know the LES back in the &#8217;50s &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t alive &#8211;  and I&#8217;m sure if you grew up there and watched its decline, with the onset of drugs and gangs and crime, it was very painful to witness indeed. I saw what I saw, and I&#8217;ve never denied my vision is limited, and idiosyncratic.</p><p> Actually, I am kind of fascinated by the NYC of the &#8217;50s. So tell me &#8211; what was it like? I&#8217;ve lost my home (my home town is in fact a ghost town) many times.</p><p>T.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe Ciolino</title><link>http://cityofstrangers.net/2010/09/tompkins-square-park-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-26990</link> <dc:creator>Joe Ciolino</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:36:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://cityofstrangers.net/?p=2304#comment-26990</guid> <description>Always amusing, although at times, infuriating, to read what people have to say with such limited memories.   &quot;When I first came to the park. . .&quot;   What does THAT mean?  Nothing.   Then we find it means, as with most who post here, it means sometimes in the 80&#039;s, maybe as early as the 70&#039;s.
How many can remember the neighborhood in the 1950&#039;s?
I can.
Let me tell you, it was a different world.   A world most of you cannot imagine.   And based on that memory, I was never happier to witness police brutality in my life.   It should have happened much sooner, but cops don&#039;t really want to work, do they?
Those who were bloodied, beaten, and ousted, had mugged me and my friends, threatened my neighbors and kept rats as pets.   Talk about hell. . .   that was Tompkins Square of the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s.
Of course, the neighborhood of my childhood remains just a memory and regardless of how &quot;safe&quot; or &quot;clean&quot; it is now, it is a ghost town.  For me, anyway.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always amusing, although at times, infuriating, to read what people have to say with such limited memories.   &#8220;When I first came to the park. . .&#8221;   What does THAT mean?  Nothing.   Then we find it means, as with most who post here, it means sometimes in the 80&#8242;s, maybe as early as the 70&#8242;s.</p><p>How many can remember the neighborhood in the 1950&#8242;s?</p><p>I can.</p><p>Let me tell you, it was a different world.   A world most of you cannot imagine.   And based on that memory, I was never happier to witness police brutality in my life.   It should have happened much sooner, but cops don&#8217;t really want to work, do they?</p><p>Those who were bloodied, beaten, and ousted, had mugged me and my friends, threatened my neighbors and kept rats as pets.   Talk about hell. . .   that was Tompkins Square of the 60&#8242;s and 70&#8242;s.</p><p>Of course, the neighborhood of my childhood remains just a memory and regardless of how &#8220;safe&#8221; or &#8220;clean&#8221; it is now, it is a ghost town.  For me, anyway.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: christine collins</title><link>http://cityofstrangers.net/2010/09/tompkins-square-park-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-16108</link> <dc:creator>christine collins</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 20:24:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://cityofstrangers.net/?p=2304#comment-16108</guid> <description>I lived 2 house&#039;s in on ST. Marks @ ave A.  I wathed the 91 riot from my roof.  You may forget, but it was heavy.  The year leading up to that riot... I moved in from graduatiing from grad school.. had grown up in suburbs. After a short stint on east houston... a touph part of loeasida I was unprepaired for the street scene on that square.  Very agressive pan handlers who smelt, crackheadss wineos. Heroin junkies with anarchist punks and ecco grunge junkies... not 15... like 100 kids&quot;spare some change&quot; yelled hostilly once every 2 steps.  First I gave...but at minimum wage I became angry and cold... to this day I can dog any scam bumb with no fear and a sociopaths smirk on my face... or some days I am very generous...not llike a mark but on my whim.  Its odd, after several months I feel likei developed Stoch holme syndrem.(am dyslexic..hence spellin?).  I felt like one of them... living in a slaves hobble.. eating cereal and pizza. Then my anger turned where it belonged...towards my boss, slumlord, banker... it remains there. 20 years after. Even with my 3 story house, morgage and tenants of my own. So I had begun eating my single slice a day on the park bebches nearthe soup line for the homless tent city Soon after the riot the barricades kept me from my bench. People disappeared... not all to boroughs... I saw homeless put in police cars and paddy wagons... for years never seen again...Pot dealers too.  The parkis vry pretty now.. but I miss my hooverville.  I feltlike someone cameinto my backyard and arrested my crazy aunts and uncles.. I fellt violated by. The state..I think we were violated.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived 2 house&#8217;s in on ST. Marks @ ave A.  I wathed the 91 riot from my roof.  You may forget, but it was heavy.  The year leading up to that riot&#8230; I moved in from graduatiing from grad school.. had grown up in suburbs. After a short stint on east houston&#8230; a touph part of loeasida I was unprepaired for the street scene on that square.  Very agressive pan handlers who smelt, crackheadss wineos. Heroin junkies with anarchist punks and ecco grunge junkies&#8230; not 15&#8230; like 100 kids&#8221;spare some change&#8221; yelled hostilly once every 2 steps.  First I gave&#8230;but at minimum wage I became angry and cold&#8230; to this day I can dog any scam bumb with no fear and a sociopaths smirk on my face&#8230; or some days I am very generous&#8230;not llike a mark but on my whim.  Its odd, after several months I feel likei developed Stoch holme syndrem.(am dyslexic..hence spellin?).  I felt like one of them&#8230; living in a slaves hobble.. eating cereal and pizza. Then my anger turned where it belonged&#8230;towards my boss, slumlord, banker&#8230; it remains there. 20 years after. Even with my 3 story house, morgage and tenants of my own. So I had begun eating my single slice a day on the park bebches nearthe soup line for the homless tent city Soon after the riot the barricades kept me from my bench. People disappeared&#8230; not all to boroughs&#8230; I saw homeless put in police cars and paddy wagons&#8230; for years never seen again&#8230;Pot dealers too.  The parkis vry pretty now.. but I miss my hooverville.  I feltlike someone cameinto my backyard and arrested my crazy aunts and uncles.. I fellt violated by. The state..I think we were violated.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: COS</title><link>http://cityofstrangers.net/2010/09/tompkins-square-park-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10005</link> <dc:creator>COS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 17:05:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://cityofstrangers.net/?p=2304#comment-10005</guid> <description>Hi Frank,
Sorry it took me so long to get back - been neglecting the blog of late. Yeah, I miss the feeling of the Village in those days, it was a little rough, definitely had a dark undercurrent, but there was a warmth there too. You felt community, and spirit. Thanks for the reminder.
T.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frank,</p><p> Sorry it took me so long to get back &#8211; been neglecting the blog of late. Yeah, I miss the feeling of the Village in those days, it was a little rough, definitely had a dark undercurrent, but there was a warmth there too. You felt community, and spirit. Thanks for the reminder.</p><p>T.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: COS</title><link>http://cityofstrangers.net/2010/09/tompkins-square-park-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-6087</link> <dc:creator>COS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 22:59:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://cityofstrangers.net/?p=2304#comment-6087</guid> <description>Frank,
Thanks for the comment. Yeah, it was rough but you&#039;re right, I don&#039;t remember it being too heavy, or not as much as people might expect. Though I did hear of things.
T.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p><p> Thanks for the comment. Yeah, it was rough but you&#8217;re right, I don&#8217;t remember it being too heavy, or not as much as people might expect. Though I did hear of things.</p><p>T.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: frank</title><link>http://cityofstrangers.net/2010/09/tompkins-square-park-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5817</link> <dc:creator>frank</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 15:50:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://cityofstrangers.net/?p=2304#comment-5817</guid> <description>I lived in front of the Tompkins Square, between Avenue A and Avenue B. From 1989 to 1990 and remember the riots of May 1, 1990. The whole area was very characteristic, by the people who lived in the park to the roofs. But I have never been disturbed, welcomed me with warmth and friendship</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in front of the Tompkins Square, between Avenue A and Avenue B. From 1989 to 1990 and remember the riots of May 1, 1990. The whole area was very characteristic, by the people who lived in the park to the roofs. But I have never been disturbed, welcomed me with warmth and friendship</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cityofstrangers</title><link>http://cityofstrangers.net/2010/09/tompkins-square-park-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-246</link> <dc:creator>cityofstrangers</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:37:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://cityofstrangers.net/?p=2304#comment-246</guid> <description>Hi Shan,
Thanks for the compliments. Yeah, it was pretty amazing when I first came to New York. After London in the late 80&#039;s, where squatting was normal and the dole was freely available, NY seemed like capitalism run amok. There weren&#039;t just homeless in the parks, but every second, third doorway all over Manhattan, on the trains, even in the tunnels.
There were a lot of reasons for it - not least the mass release of the mentally ill from state institutions - but yeah, it was kind of amazing to see. Pretty hard life though. I was struck, going to Asia after the first time I&#039;d lived here, how being homeless didn&#039;t mean quite the same thing. People retained family, even community. The homeless here, even in the parks, seemed mostly alone.
All gone now though.
T.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shan,</p><p> Thanks for the compliments. Yeah, it was pretty amazing when I first came to New York. After London in the late 80&#8242;s, where squatting was normal and the dole was freely available, NY seemed like capitalism run amok. There weren&#8217;t just homeless in the parks, but every second, third doorway all over Manhattan, on the trains, even in the tunnels.</p><p> There were a lot of reasons for it &#8211; not least the mass release of the mentally ill from state institutions &#8211; but yeah, it was kind of amazing to see. Pretty hard life though. I was struck, going to Asia after the first time I&#8217;d lived here, how being homeless didn&#8217;t mean quite the same thing. People retained family, even community. The homeless here, even in the parks, seemed mostly alone.</p><p> All gone now though.</p><p> T.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shan Kelly</title><link>http://cityofstrangers.net/2010/09/tompkins-square-park-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-244</link> <dc:creator>Shan Kelly</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:36:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://cityofstrangers.net/?p=2304#comment-244</guid> <description>Lovely post. It&#039;s hard to imagine homeless people being allowed to take over a park in London.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely post. It&#8217;s hard to imagine homeless people being allowed to take over a park in London.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cityofstrangers</title><link>http://cityofstrangers.net/2010/09/tompkins-square-park-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-243</link> <dc:creator>cityofstrangers</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:06:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://cityofstrangers.net/?p=2304#comment-243</guid> <description>Bucko  - Yeah, I wish I could remember the whole thing in more exact detail. I was probably half-drunk myself at the time. But i do recall how there was almost no contact between the homeless and the protesters.
What good came out of it? I think Dinkins had already launched an ambitious housing program. Possibly this had started even before Dinkins - NY had a lot of empty housing at the time. But I think people underestimate the power of street protest. They can keep authorities honest. Look at the tea party. They get all the press only because they&#039;re the only protest game in town. If the left ever managed to organize something like that, maybe we wouldn&#039;t be drifting rightward again. Or maybe we would . . . by &#039;91, the left had really run out of steam and they&#039;ve never really got it back.
T.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bucko  &#8211; Yeah, I wish I could remember the whole thing in more exact detail. I was probably half-drunk myself at the time. But i do recall how there was almost no contact between the homeless and the protesters.</p><p>What good came out of it? I think Dinkins had already launched an ambitious housing program. Possibly this had started even before Dinkins &#8211; NY had a lot of empty housing at the time. But I think people underestimate the power of street protest. They can keep authorities honest. Look at the tea party. They get all the press only because they&#8217;re the only protest game in town. If the left ever managed to organize something like that, maybe we wouldn&#8217;t be drifting rightward again. Or maybe we would . . . by &#8217;91, the left had really run out of steam and they&#8217;ve never really got it back.</p><p>T.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bucko</title><link>http://cityofstrangers.net/2010/09/tompkins-square-park-pt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link> <dc:creator>Bucko</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:45:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://cityofstrangers.net/?p=2304#comment-241</guid> <description>I think that was what I was reacting too the most--the disconnect. But perhaps some good came out of it though? Increased aid to homeless shelters and the like?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that was what I was reacting too the most&#8211;the disconnect. But perhaps some good came out of it though? Increased aid to homeless shelters and the like?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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